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		<title>By: shah8</title>
		<link>http://www.fantasy-magazine.com/contests/blog-for-a/blog-for-a-beer-15/comment-page-1/#comment-1444</link>
		<dc:creator>shah8</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 May 2008 22:36:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ironically, Randy...

Unbreakable is probably the comic book movie that most adheres to your desires, despite not being that good and not based on an actual comic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ironically, Randy&#8230;</p>
<p>Unbreakable is probably the comic book movie that most adheres to your desires, despite not being that good and not based on an actual comic.</p>
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		<title>By: John O</title>
		<link>http://www.fantasy-magazine.com/contests/blog-for-a/blog-for-a-beer-15/comment-page-1/#comment-1437</link>
		<dc:creator>John O</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 06:58:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I loved it. It probably helped that my girlfriend and I saw it by ourselves in the theater, so we could talk as loud as we wanted during the movie. And it had not one but two hot blondes. Plus, I like Reitman, and that guy from The Office. And the script was good - that always helps. Luke Wilson is fun, also. So yeah - I liked it quite a bit, actually.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I loved it. It probably helped that my girlfriend and I saw it by ourselves in the theater, so we could talk as loud as we wanted during the movie. And it had not one but two hot blondes. Plus, I like Reitman, and that guy from The Office. And the script was good &#8211; that always helps. Luke Wilson is fun, also. So yeah &#8211; I liked it quite a bit, actually.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathy S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathy S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 05:26:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It might be worth mentioning that most adaptations are unnecessary, since they suck as much as the source material and really, neither should be inflicted on the innocent public (Daredevil, anyone?) Also, someone actually liked My Super Ex-Girlfriend?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It might be worth mentioning that most adaptations are unnecessary, since they suck as much as the source material and really, neither should be inflicted on the innocent public (Daredevil, anyone?) Also, someone actually liked My Super Ex-Girlfriend?</p>
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		<title>By: Edward Brock</title>
		<link>http://www.fantasy-magazine.com/contests/blog-for-a/blog-for-a-beer-15/comment-page-1/#comment-1435</link>
		<dc:creator>Edward Brock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 05:14:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As with any adapted work, we are stuck with the fact that filmmakers (be they honest or not) have years of material to work from, not to mention the many differing opinions on what aspect of the comic book characters should be kept for the screen.

As film lovers &amp; comic book fans, we have to remember that it is impossible to compress a lifetime of material into a 2-3 hour film, or even a series of them. Regardless of the quality of the film, there will be those &quot;loyalists&quot; who will be offended by various changes (many of which are necessary) that occur when translating a written work into a movie.

Superman Returns is a fine example. I loved the movie, but I also went into it with the realization that there would be changes to 70 years of Superman history for the film to work. I hated the storyline of the kid &amp; I wanted to see more action as well, but realized that Singer had chosen to make a very &quot;adult&quot; Superman film &amp; also pay homage to the films that had gone before. A brave move, but not from the viewpoint of the studios who only care about the profits.

We should certainly voice our displeasure when a film shows little quality, thought or knowledge of the source material. Unfortunately, we do have a very fickle movie-going audience, whose attention spans have dwindled over the years, while their expectations have grown. I for one am content to enjoy the fact that comic book film are even being made. We must remember that comic book films could quickly fall out of favor &amp; we could end of with a rash of inept &quot;reality-show&quot; films. They&#039;ve already ruined TV. Do we really want to be bombarded by films like &quot;Who&#039;s The Daddy?&quot;, &quot;My Car Cost More Than Your Car&quot; or &quot;Redneck Weddings&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As with any adapted work, we are stuck with the fact that filmmakers (be they honest or not) have years of material to work from, not to mention the many differing opinions on what aspect of the comic book characters should be kept for the screen.</p>
<p>As film lovers &amp; comic book fans, we have to remember that it is impossible to compress a lifetime of material into a 2-3 hour film, or even a series of them. Regardless of the quality of the film, there will be those &#8220;loyalists&#8221; who will be offended by various changes (many of which are necessary) that occur when translating a written work into a movie.</p>
<p>Superman Returns is a fine example. I loved the movie, but I also went into it with the realization that there would be changes to 70 years of Superman history for the film to work. I hated the storyline of the kid &amp; I wanted to see more action as well, but realized that Singer had chosen to make a very &#8220;adult&#8221; Superman film &amp; also pay homage to the films that had gone before. A brave move, but not from the viewpoint of the studios who only care about the profits.</p>
<p>We should certainly voice our displeasure when a film shows little quality, thought or knowledge of the source material. Unfortunately, we do have a very fickle movie-going audience, whose attention spans have dwindled over the years, while their expectations have grown. I for one am content to enjoy the fact that comic book film are even being made. We must remember that comic book films could quickly fall out of favor &amp; we could end of with a rash of inept &#8220;reality-show&#8221; films. They&#8217;ve already ruined TV. Do we really want to be bombarded by films like &#8220;Who&#8217;s The Daddy?&#8221;, &#8220;My Car Cost More Than Your Car&#8221; or &#8220;Redneck Weddings&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Clint Harris</title>
		<link>http://www.fantasy-magazine.com/contests/blog-for-a/blog-for-a-beer-15/comment-page-1/#comment-1434</link>
		<dc:creator>Clint Harris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 04:30:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John O., picture it.

SEAMONKEYS!  THE MOVIE!!!!!

Directed by Robert Rodriguez and Quentin Tarantino.  The double feature will be &quot;Johnson Smith and Co.&#039;s &quot;Things You Never Knew EXISTED!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John O., picture it.</p>
<p>SEAMONKEYS!  THE MOVIE!!!!!</p>
<p>Directed by Robert Rodriguez and Quentin Tarantino.  The double feature will be &#8220;Johnson Smith and Co.&#8217;s &#8220;Things You Never Knew EXISTED!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Kenneth Schneyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kenneth Schneyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 02:58:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Films and comics address fundamentally different narrative problems, although it&#039;s true that storyboarding bears a strong resemblance to a comic strip.

At the core of this difference is the issue of story arc.  The maker of a film has no assurance of a sequel, and the story must, therefore, have a beginning, middle and end.  Comics (as distinct from graphic novels) are more deliberately episodic, in the nature of serial television series, and therefore must necessarily leave loose ends.  &quot;Be soon to tune in next week.&quot;

So, for me, the best film adaptation of comic characters are those that recognize that they need to adhere to a more classical story model.  The first &quot;Batman&quot; film fits this model superbly.

In another dimension, good film adaptations depend on good character material in the comic to begin with.  Working with Bruce Wayne rather than Kal-El you have a built-in advantage, because the guy&#039;s a psychopathological mess to begin with and any decent actor can make it work.  Superman is notoriously hard for an actor to make into anything but cardboard.  Thus, you&#039;d &lt;i&gt;expect&lt;/i&gt; a Spiderman movie to be better because Peter Parker&#039;s so gloriously screwed up (Doesn&#039;t hurt to have a world-class player like Toby Maguire in the role, either).  In this sense, the X-Men film was a disappointment; the only actors who really played the exclusion/bigotry/power triangle well were McKellen and Stewart, and, again, you&#039;d&#039;ve expected that of them.

I haven&#039;t seen the Iron Man movie, but the trailers appear to show encouraging things about the portrayal of Tony Stark.  It looks like they&#039;ve given him some massive character transformation as a result of his injury, which is right on the money</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Films and comics address fundamentally different narrative problems, although it&#8217;s true that storyboarding bears a strong resemblance to a comic strip.</p>
<p>At the core of this difference is the issue of story arc.  The maker of a film has no assurance of a sequel, and the story must, therefore, have a beginning, middle and end.  Comics (as distinct from graphic novels) are more deliberately episodic, in the nature of serial television series, and therefore must necessarily leave loose ends.  &#8220;Be soon to tune in next week.&#8221;</p>
<p>So, for me, the best film adaptation of comic characters are those that recognize that they need to adhere to a more classical story model.  The first &#8220;Batman&#8221; film fits this model superbly.</p>
<p>In another dimension, good film adaptations depend on good character material in the comic to begin with.  Working with Bruce Wayne rather than Kal-El you have a built-in advantage, because the guy&#8217;s a psychopathological mess to begin with and any decent actor can make it work.  Superman is notoriously hard for an actor to make into anything but cardboard.  Thus, you&#8217;d <i>expect</i> a Spiderman movie to be better because Peter Parker&#8217;s so gloriously screwed up (Doesn&#8217;t hurt to have a world-class player like Toby Maguire in the role, either).  In this sense, the X-Men film was a disappointment; the only actors who really played the exclusion/bigotry/power triangle well were McKellen and Stewart, and, again, you&#8217;d've expected that of them.</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t seen the Iron Man movie, but the trailers appear to show encouraging things about the portrayal of Tony Stark.  It looks like they&#8217;ve given him some massive character transformation as a result of his injury, which is right on the money</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Henderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randy Henderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 01:23:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(ps- disclaimer: I was, of course, kidding about the Ayn Rand movie. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(ps- disclaimer: I was, of course, kidding about the Ayn Rand movie. <img src='http://www.fantasy-magazine.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Randy Henderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randy Henderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 00:14:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops.  Just IMDB&#039;d it.  His powers were actually powered by a &quot;philosophical obscurational field.&quot;  I knew it was something like that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops.  Just IMDB&#8217;d it.  His powers were actually powered by a &#8220;philosophical obscurational field.&#8221;  I knew it was something like that.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Henderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randy Henderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 23:59:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, I heard that they were working on a movie version of Ayn Rand&#039;s magnum opus, but the Hollywood producers who greenlighted thought it WAS a movie version of the Charles Atlas story, and insisted that it be reworked into a superhero fable starring, coincidentally enough, Brandon Frasier, and based on those very same Charles Atlas comic ads.

  Unfortunately, they kept running into a snag when the writers for &quot;Charles Atlas Shrugged&quot;, inspired by the rational self-interest arguments of the novel (not the feed-on-your insecurities self-interest of the ads), kept going on strike, feeling they were not being adequately compensated or appreciated for their intellectual contributions.

Rumor is, the recent screen writer&#039;s strike was, in fact, the end result of that fiasco.

Alas, the project has been canned for now.  But I did see some test footage of  Frasier&#039;s invisibility powers (powered by the a &quot;philosophical density&quot; screen).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, I heard that they were working on a movie version of Ayn Rand&#8217;s magnum opus, but the Hollywood producers who greenlighted thought it WAS a movie version of the Charles Atlas story, and insisted that it be reworked into a superhero fable starring, coincidentally enough, Brandon Frasier, and based on those very same Charles Atlas comic ads.</p>
<p>  Unfortunately, they kept running into a snag when the writers for &#8220;Charles Atlas Shrugged&#8221;, inspired by the rational self-interest arguments of the novel (not the feed-on-your insecurities self-interest of the ads), kept going on strike, feeling they were not being adequately compensated or appreciated for their intellectual contributions.</p>
<p>Rumor is, the recent screen writer&#8217;s strike was, in fact, the end result of that fiasco.</p>
<p>Alas, the project has been canned for now.  But I did see some test footage of  Frasier&#8217;s invisibility powers (powered by the a &#8220;philosophical density&#8221; screen).</p>
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		<title>By: John O</title>
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		<dc:creator>John O</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 23:17:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Charles Atlas,&quot; and I give up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Charles Atlas,&#8221; and I give up.</p>
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