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	<title>Comments on: Blog For A Beer: Fall TV, Exciting or More of the Same?</title>
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	<description>From Modern Mythcraft to Magical Surrealism</description>
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		<title>By: Paul Jessup</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Jessup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 12:36:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dangermouse did make it over the pond!  I loved that show growing up, as did my wife.  We&#039;re exposing our kids to it as well, passing it on to the next generation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dangermouse did make it over the pond!  I loved that show growing up, as did my wife.  We&#8217;re exposing our kids to it as well, passing it on to the next generation.</p>
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		<title>By: Cheryl Holland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cheryl Holland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 08:49:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael - I have to agree about the characters feeling like friends thing. I don&#039;t know how many times I&#039;ve shouted &quot;Just kiss her, you stupid man!!!!&quot; at The West Wing. And I don&#039;t normally talk to TV programmes.

*But still, how did we go from Saturday Morning Cartoons to Sunday Morning Toy-Adverts-Disguised-as-Cartoons?*

We did? I&#039;m a child of the eighties, and all of the cartoons back then were toy adverts: Transformers, Visionaries, He-Man.... What I miss are the slightly more clever ones, like Dangermouse (not sure if that one made it across the pond though).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael &#8211; I have to agree about the characters feeling like friends thing. I don&#8217;t know how many times I&#8217;ve shouted &#8220;Just kiss her, you stupid man!!!!&#8221; at The West Wing. And I don&#8217;t normally talk to TV programmes.</p>
<p>*But still, how did we go from Saturday Morning Cartoons to Sunday Morning Toy-Adverts-Disguised-as-Cartoons?*</p>
<p>We did? I&#8217;m a child of the eighties, and all of the cartoons back then were toy adverts: Transformers, Visionaries, He-Man&#8230;. What I miss are the slightly more clever ones, like Dangermouse (not sure if that one made it across the pond though).</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Gordon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Gordon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 21:10:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On a more general note...

I often feel TV is a better medium for great characters than books. There are countless television characters (the scoobies, the West Wing cast, Shawn and Gus etc.) that feel like friends (pathetic maybe, but true).

On the other hand, I think books handle big story arcs better. I don&#039;t trust most shows to tie up loose ends (though I&#039;m coming to distrust book authors too).

So I think that sums up how I choose what to watch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On a more general note&#8230;</p>
<p>I often feel TV is a better medium for great characters than books. There are countless television characters (the scoobies, the West Wing cast, Shawn and Gus etc.) that feel like friends (pathetic maybe, but true).</p>
<p>On the other hand, I think books handle big story arcs better. I don&#8217;t trust most shows to tie up loose ends (though I&#8217;m coming to distrust book authors too).</p>
<p>So I think that sums up how I choose what to watch.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Henderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randy Henderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 18:12:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although Fantasy Island bombed, perhaps they should bring back Love Boat -- but, wait, here&#039;s the hook -- IN SPACE!  Love Boat in the future.  You could have &quot;where are they now?&quot; celebs from the 80&#039;s and 90&#039;s, and could even work in some alien/ robot/ hologram love dilemmas, etcetera.  OOOOHHHH YEAH!  That&#039;d ROCK!

Okay.  I&#039;m off to go camping for the weekend (thus I got all my blogging for the entire weekend out in an hour) ;)  Cheers, all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although Fantasy Island bombed, perhaps they should bring back Love Boat &#8212; but, wait, here&#8217;s the hook &#8212; IN SPACE!  Love Boat in the future.  You could have &#8220;where are they now?&#8221; celebs from the 80&#8242;s and 90&#8242;s, and could even work in some alien/ robot/ hologram love dilemmas, etcetera.  OOOOHHHH YEAH!  That&#8217;d ROCK!</p>
<p>Okay.  I&#8217;m off to go camping for the weekend (thus I got all my blogging for the entire weekend out in an hour) <img src='http://www.fantasy-magazine.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />   Cheers, all.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Henderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randy Henderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 18:05:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay.  Back on topic.  Dollhouse?  I have to admit, I&#039;ve never been impressed by Dushku&#039;s range.  But Whedon rocks, so we&#039;ll see.

On that point, while remaking shows like Knight Rider seems like a lame idea, I think everything depends on the writing (okay, yeah, I&#039;m biased as a writer), and the vision for the show.

After all, why redo Battlestar Galactica?

What if Whedon were doing Knight Rider?  Or JJ Abrams?  You might end up with a smart, ensemble show that engages us in the characters.  The car gimick would become (ahem) a vehicle for the actors, a way to draw in the audience, then hook them with the drama.  

Unfortunately, that is rarely the way it goes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay.  Back on topic.  Dollhouse?  I have to admit, I&#8217;ve never been impressed by Dushku&#8217;s range.  But Whedon rocks, so we&#8217;ll see.</p>
<p>On that point, while remaking shows like Knight Rider seems like a lame idea, I think everything depends on the writing (okay, yeah, I&#8217;m biased as a writer), and the vision for the show.</p>
<p>After all, why redo Battlestar Galactica?</p>
<p>What if Whedon were doing Knight Rider?  Or JJ Abrams?  You might end up with a smart, ensemble show that engages us in the characters.  The car gimick would become (ahem) a vehicle for the actors, a way to draw in the audience, then hook them with the drama.  </p>
<p>Unfortunately, that is rarely the way it goes.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Henderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randy Henderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 17:58:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wrote a short story once (that shall remain in the darkest recesses of my filing cabinet) that involved a reality tv show based on the Odyssey.  If we HAVE to have reality TV, that might not suck.  Recreate the challenges and travels of Ulysses, or Jason and the Argonauts.  

Of course, to do that well they would probably have to spend enough money that it would defeat the real purpose of reality tv - cheap production, no need to pay real writers, etcetera.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wrote a short story once (that shall remain in the darkest recesses of my filing cabinet) that involved a reality tv show based on the Odyssey.  If we HAVE to have reality TV, that might not suck.  Recreate the challenges and travels of Ulysses, or Jason and the Argonauts.  </p>
<p>Of course, to do that well they would probably have to spend enough money that it would defeat the real purpose of reality tv &#8211; cheap production, no need to pay real writers, etcetera.</p>
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		<title>By: K. Tempest Bradford</title>
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		<dc:creator>K. Tempest Bradford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 17:42:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>obviously this week&#039;s BfaB should have been about childhood favorites on DVD.  week after next, I promise!

I have to gloat that I have a set that&#039;s 99% of all the You Can&#039;t Do That On Television episodes.  Obtained from &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.barthsburgery.com/ycdtROM.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Barth&#039;s Burgery&lt;/a&gt;.

Cheryl, I also don&#039;t want a lot of new/live TV.  Mainly because so much of it sucks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>obviously this week&#8217;s BfaB should have been about childhood favorites on DVD.  week after next, I promise!</p>
<p>I have to gloat that I have a set that&#8217;s 99% of all the You Can&#8217;t Do That On Television episodes.  Obtained from <a href="http://www.barthsburgery.com/ycdtROM.htm" rel="nofollow">Barth&#8217;s Burgery</a>.</p>
<p>Cheryl, I also don&#8217;t want a lot of new/live TV.  Mainly because so much of it sucks.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Henderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randy Henderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 17:40:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And forget Fall TV -- what ever happened to Saturday Morning Cartoons?  I mean, yeah, it is spoiled for kids today by the fact that they have Cartoon Network and Nikelodian 24/7.  But still, how did we go from Saturday Morning Cartoons to Sunday Morning Toy-Adverts-Disguised-as-Cartoons?

Just one less reason to actually drag your butt out of bed at any decent hour on the weekends, I suppose.  And less temptation to break out the Peanut Butter Cap&#039;n Crunch.

And shortly following Fall we have the holiday season.  Remember when those old stop-motion holiday specials like Rudolph were a special event you looked forward to as a child?  Now, they can just throw in the DVD in the middle of Summer when they are bored.  Sometimes, technology (and commercialism) sucks.

Okay. Just wanted to rant for a sec.  All better now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And forget Fall TV &#8212; what ever happened to Saturday Morning Cartoons?  I mean, yeah, it is spoiled for kids today by the fact that they have Cartoon Network and Nikelodian 24/7.  But still, how did we go from Saturday Morning Cartoons to Sunday Morning Toy-Adverts-Disguised-as-Cartoons?</p>
<p>Just one less reason to actually drag your butt out of bed at any decent hour on the weekends, I suppose.  And less temptation to break out the Peanut Butter Cap&#8217;n Crunch.</p>
<p>And shortly following Fall we have the holiday season.  Remember when those old stop-motion holiday specials like Rudolph were a special event you looked forward to as a child?  Now, they can just throw in the DVD in the middle of Summer when they are bored.  Sometimes, technology (and commercialism) sucks.</p>
<p>Okay. Just wanted to rant for a sec.  All better now.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Henderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randy Henderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 17:16:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t watch television per se, I watch whatever&#039;s worth watching on DVD and ignore or avoid the rest as best I can.

I once considered that perhaps that made me part of the problem.  After all, if I am not watching such shows on actual cable or whatever and giving them my support, then am I not in part responsible when they get cancelled?

But then I realized that decisions about what stays on the air or not has more to do with how much commercial or sponsorship revenue the show pulls in, and/or how much a select audience of &quot;representative&quot; viewers watch the show, and/or whether the network exec&#039;s wife or son or dog likes the show.  And I&#039;m sure there are probably plenty of cases of new T.V. execs coming in and wanting to prove themselves and show their stuff and so messing with a perfectly good thing in order to try and show they can do something better, etcetera.

And surely the sales and rentals of television series on DVD or iTunes, etcetera, now tells studios and networks as much about what shows and what types of shows really have devoted audiences and which do not (as well as which audiences have money to spend on products, I suppose).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t watch television per se, I watch whatever&#8217;s worth watching on DVD and ignore or avoid the rest as best I can.</p>
<p>I once considered that perhaps that made me part of the problem.  After all, if I am not watching such shows on actual cable or whatever and giving them my support, then am I not in part responsible when they get cancelled?</p>
<p>But then I realized that decisions about what stays on the air or not has more to do with how much commercial or sponsorship revenue the show pulls in, and/or how much a select audience of &#8220;representative&#8221; viewers watch the show, and/or whether the network exec&#8217;s wife or son or dog likes the show.  And I&#8217;m sure there are probably plenty of cases of new T.V. execs coming in and wanting to prove themselves and show their stuff and so messing with a perfectly good thing in order to try and show they can do something better, etcetera.</p>
<p>And surely the sales and rentals of television series on DVD or iTunes, etcetera, now tells studios and networks as much about what shows and what types of shows really have devoted audiences and which do not (as well as which audiences have money to spend on products, I suppose).</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Henderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randy Henderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 17:13:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What shows are successful and which get cancelled rarely seems to have much to do with logic or quality.  Cases in point?

Cupid
Freaks and Geeks
Wonderfalls
Firefly
Threshold
Dresden Files
Arrested Development</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What shows are successful and which get cancelled rarely seems to have much to do with logic or quality.  Cases in point?</p>
<p>Cupid<br />
Freaks and Geeks<br />
Wonderfalls<br />
Firefly<br />
Threshold<br />
Dresden Files<br />
Arrested Development</p>
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