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	<title>Comments on: Blog For A Beer: Should A Series Die When The Author Does?</title>
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		<title>By: Michael Gordon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Gordon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 00:05:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Randy&#039;s geo-ethnic reassignation idea is really good and I feel like it should be done with more public domain works, not just Shakespeare. Dracula, Frankenstein, I&#039;m sure there are plenty more possibilities.

Willis @ 15: I hadn&#039;t even remembered those Dawn of Amber books, but it raises an interesting point about new authors writing not sequels but prequels. On the one hand, I feel like it puts the integrity of the series at less risk, but there&#039;s also much less need of it. And as I recall the Dawn of Amber series didn&#039;t even get finished up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Randy&#8217;s geo-ethnic reassignation idea is really good and I feel like it should be done with more public domain works, not just Shakespeare. Dracula, Frankenstein, I&#8217;m sure there are plenty more possibilities.</p>
<p>Willis @ 15: I hadn&#8217;t even remembered those Dawn of Amber books, but it raises an interesting point about new authors writing not sequels but prequels. On the one hand, I feel like it puts the integrity of the series at less risk, but there&#8217;s also much less need of it. And as I recall the Dawn of Amber series didn&#8217;t even get finished up.</p>
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		<title>By: Cat C.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cat C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 23:19:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael @ 1:

I totally agree with you in regards to whether the book &lt;i&gt; needs &lt;/i&gt; to be written. For me, that &quot;need&quot; can be determined by asking a basic question about the series plot: is it a &quot;quest&quot; plot? If so, then heck yes, for crying out loud, finish it! If not...eh...*shrug* not so much. 

Quest plots have to come to a proper conclusion. That&#039;s pretty much the whole point of the story. The basic premise of quest-plot books never changes: Character X looks for Thing A, meets lots of interesting people/animals/winged cephalopods (named B, Q, and F respectively) in lots of interesting places and undergoes some sort of personal growth and transformation as a result of the journey. Sometimes you find out that the quest was not really for Thing A, it was purely for this personal transformation and growth all along! How profound! (I kind of always thought was a bait and switch...I mean wtf, Thing A seemed sooooo important, now you&#039;re telling me it&#039;s not?! Bugger off dude!)

Anyway, point being that quest plots have to reach a conclusion. WoT, LotR, etc., those are quest plots. HHGTTG, not so much a quest plot in my mind. I love Douglas Adams to tears and will always wave a towel to fellow hitchhikers in his memory, but I&#039;m not really feeling the need to round out the series like I am with WoT. Arthur, Marvin, et. al. would be just fine chillin at Milliways for the rest of their days I think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael @ 1:</p>
<p>I totally agree with you in regards to whether the book <i> needs </i> to be written. For me, that &#8220;need&#8221; can be determined by asking a basic question about the series plot: is it a &#8220;quest&#8221; plot? If so, then heck yes, for crying out loud, finish it! If not&#8230;eh&#8230;*shrug* not so much. </p>
<p>Quest plots have to come to a proper conclusion. That&#8217;s pretty much the whole point of the story. The basic premise of quest-plot books never changes: Character X looks for Thing A, meets lots of interesting people/animals/winged cephalopods (named B, Q, and F respectively) in lots of interesting places and undergoes some sort of personal growth and transformation as a result of the journey. Sometimes you find out that the quest was not really for Thing A, it was purely for this personal transformation and growth all along! How profound! (I kind of always thought was a bait and switch&#8230;I mean wtf, Thing A seemed sooooo important, now you&#8217;re telling me it&#8217;s not?! Bugger off dude!)</p>
<p>Anyway, point being that quest plots have to reach a conclusion. WoT, LotR, etc., those are quest plots. HHGTTG, not so much a quest plot in my mind. I love Douglas Adams to tears and will always wave a towel to fellow hitchhikers in his memory, but I&#8217;m not really feeling the need to round out the series like I am with WoT. Arthur, Marvin, et. al. would be just fine chillin at Milliways for the rest of their days I think.</p>
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		<title>By: Willis Couvillier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Willis Couvillier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 23:03:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are a couple of older series and worlds I would have liked to have seen completed.  One is the Horseclans series.  It reached 18 books when Robert Adams died, and apparently it was meant for a 30 book epic.  And Zelazny&#039;s Amber (and don&#039;t even go &quot;Dawn of Amber&quot; - ick).  He had completed the Chaos quint before he died, but left a huge loose end involving a third scribed pattern that I have always felt had potential to be developed for a series on Neutrality.  

Should someone complete these?  Or take them further?  To me, it would depend on the writer chosen for it.  While i would love to see holes filled or a major storyline epic finished, I wouldn&#039;t buy it if the quality blows.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are a couple of older series and worlds I would have liked to have seen completed.  One is the Horseclans series.  It reached 18 books when Robert Adams died, and apparently it was meant for a 30 book epic.  And Zelazny&#8217;s Amber (and don&#8217;t even go &#8220;Dawn of Amber&#8221; &#8211; ick).  He had completed the Chaos quint before he died, but left a huge loose end involving a third scribed pattern that I have always felt had potential to be developed for a series on Neutrality.  </p>
<p>Should someone complete these?  Or take them further?  To me, it would depend on the writer chosen for it.  While i would love to see holes filled or a major storyline epic finished, I wouldn&#8217;t buy it if the quality blows.</p>
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		<title>By: Becky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Becky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 22:07:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Rewrite Lord of the Rings in an entirely Asian or African mythological setting.&quot;

I&#039;d read that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Rewrite Lord of the Rings in an entirely Asian or African mythological setting.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;d read that.</p>
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		<title>By: Clint Harris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clint Harris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 21:39:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now, I just thought of something.  There are a series of books that take Jane Austen&#039;s characters from Pride and Prejudice and elaborate on their further adventures.  &quot;Mr. Darcy Takes a Wife&quot; is the first of these.  According to my wife, who slogged through it after reading the original Austen, it was basically Jane Austen slash-fic.  

It took beloved characters from Austen and turned them into total freaks complete with explicit detail and over the top chicka-wocka-bow-bow cliches.  According to her, they all but had the pizza guy show up and the bass riffs begin after each scene began.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now, I just thought of something.  There are a series of books that take Jane Austen&#8217;s characters from Pride and Prejudice and elaborate on their further adventures.  &#8220;Mr. Darcy Takes a Wife&#8221; is the first of these.  According to my wife, who slogged through it after reading the original Austen, it was basically Jane Austen slash-fic.  </p>
<p>It took beloved characters from Austen and turned them into total freaks complete with explicit detail and over the top chicka-wocka-bow-bow cliches.  According to her, they all but had the pizza guy show up and the bass riffs begin after each scene began.</p>
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		<title>By: Clint Harris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clint Harris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:06:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But Randy, Sisterhood of the Traveling Pants can&#039;t be V.C. Andrews.  Nobody get&#039;s abused by neglect or has sex with their sister in the Pants movies.  But Jane Austen did write &quot;Bridget Jones Diary II,&quot; and &quot;Bring it On.&quot;  And &quot;Aztec Rex.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But Randy, Sisterhood of the Traveling Pants can&#8217;t be V.C. Andrews.  Nobody get&#8217;s abused by neglect or has sex with their sister in the Pants movies.  But Jane Austen did write &#8220;Bridget Jones Diary II,&#8221; and &#8220;Bring it On.&#8221;  And &#8220;Aztec Rex.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Henderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randy Henderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:04:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is the reason that I am writing my epic fantasy series backwards, starting at book 27.

I figure that the more I write, the better I&#039;ll get (up to a peak point, of course, and then I&#039;ll rapidly go downhill faster than David Bowie on methadone).  So rather than letting someone else carry on my legacy and write increasingly bad novels, I will write progressively better novels backwards.  

I expect the first novel to be finished and hopefully published a few years before my death, so I can enjoy the acclaim and fan worship of the founding trilogy, and maybe sue Parker Bros. for making a Monopoly board game based on it, just for kicks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the reason that I am writing my epic fantasy series backwards, starting at book 27.</p>
<p>I figure that the more I write, the better I&#8217;ll get (up to a peak point, of course, and then I&#8217;ll rapidly go downhill faster than David Bowie on methadone).  So rather than letting someone else carry on my legacy and write increasingly bad novels, I will write progressively better novels backwards.  </p>
<p>I expect the first novel to be finished and hopefully published a few years before my death, so I can enjoy the acclaim and fan worship of the founding trilogy, and maybe sue Parker Bros. for making a Monopoly board game based on it, just for kicks.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Henderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randy Henderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 18:56:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah Ha!  Nick and Michael are both wrong.  Jane Austen is actually alive writing under the alias VC Andrews.  I think you can catch a glimpse of her on set if you watch The Making of &quot;Clueless&quot; - one of her more recent films. But I understand the mistake.  You were probably confused by the rumor that she ghostwrote &quot;Sisterhood of the Travelling Pants.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah Ha!  Nick and Michael are both wrong.  Jane Austen is actually alive writing under the alias VC Andrews.  I think you can catch a glimpse of her on set if you watch The Making of &#8220;Clueless&#8221; &#8211; one of her more recent films. But I understand the mistake.  You were probably confused by the rumor that she ghostwrote &#8220;Sisterhood of the Travelling Pants.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Mamatas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick Mamatas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 18:42:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not sure what fanfic or writing Arthurian fiction has to do with the specific question or examples given above, so I&#039;ll share an anecdote.

Years ago when I was teaching community college, I gave the following assignment: write 500 words about your favorite book explaining why you liked it.

Half the papers came back, at much shorter than 500 words, and these papers explained why and how the writer managed to avoid ever reading a book.  Of the remaining half, half of those have only ever read one book -- a teen mother read a pregnancy book, one kid was found out by a high school teacher and forced to read a whole book over the course of a semester while the teacher stared at him to make sure the book was being read, a single assignment that couldn&#039;t be &quot;bullshitted around&quot; led a third person to actually read a whole book about the Meadowlands in NJ, etc. 

Of the final 25% of the class, most of them declared that the Bible was their favorite book for extraliterary reasons. Only two people actually read with any regularity.  Of the two declared that his favorite book was &lt;i&gt;Taltos the Vampire&lt;/i&gt; because it was &quot;erotic, without trying.&quot;

The final student declared that her favorite book was &quot;anything by V.C. Andrews&quot;, and that she was pleased that new books would appear so frequently so that she would have more to read.  However, she did admit, she had a feeling that the books were getting worse and worse.

I told her that V.C. Andrews is just a trademark -- the original author died after the first three books and that everything else had just been ghostwritten.  &quot;She&#039;s dead?  She&#039;s &lt;i&gt;been&lt;/I&gt; dead for a long time?  Well, no wonder the books are getting worse each time!&quot; she exclaimed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not sure what fanfic or writing Arthurian fiction has to do with the specific question or examples given above, so I&#8217;ll share an anecdote.</p>
<p>Years ago when I was teaching community college, I gave the following assignment: write 500 words about your favorite book explaining why you liked it.</p>
<p>Half the papers came back, at much shorter than 500 words, and these papers explained why and how the writer managed to avoid ever reading a book.  Of the remaining half, half of those have only ever read one book &#8212; a teen mother read a pregnancy book, one kid was found out by a high school teacher and forced to read a whole book over the course of a semester while the teacher stared at him to make sure the book was being read, a single assignment that couldn&#8217;t be &#8220;bullshitted around&#8221; led a third person to actually read a whole book about the Meadowlands in NJ, etc. </p>
<p>Of the final 25% of the class, most of them declared that the Bible was their favorite book for extraliterary reasons. Only two people actually read with any regularity.  Of the two declared that his favorite book was <i>Taltos the Vampire</i> because it was &#8220;erotic, without trying.&#8221;</p>
<p>The final student declared that her favorite book was &#8220;anything by V.C. Andrews&#8221;, and that she was pleased that new books would appear so frequently so that she would have more to read.  However, she did admit, she had a feeling that the books were getting worse and worse.</p>
<p>I told her that V.C. Andrews is just a trademark &#8212; the original author died after the first three books and that everything else had just been ghostwritten.  &#8220;She&#8217;s dead?  She&#8217;s <i>been</i> dead for a long time?  Well, no wonder the books are getting worse each time!&#8221; she exclaimed.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Henderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randy Henderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 18:38:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ditto everyone above.

Also, since whether we like it or not there will always be estates of famous authors trying to suck a bit more golden marrow from the corpse of their cash cow, another exception (and new trend) might be to do what so many directors of Shakespeare have done and re-envision the existing work in an entirely different era and culture.  Rewrite Lord of the Rings in an entirely Asian or African mythological setting.  Re-envision Dune as set in a mythical Egypt or Persia.  Rewrite Thomas Covenant as a Victorian woman traveling to a steampunk alternate/inner world.

It would be a nice compromise between the estate milking the legacy for every last drop, and not directly screwing with the original author&#039;s own vision and style, etcetera.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ditto everyone above.</p>
<p>Also, since whether we like it or not there will always be estates of famous authors trying to suck a bit more golden marrow from the corpse of their cash cow, another exception (and new trend) might be to do what so many directors of Shakespeare have done and re-envision the existing work in an entirely different era and culture.  Rewrite Lord of the Rings in an entirely Asian or African mythological setting.  Re-envision Dune as set in a mythical Egypt or Persia.  Rewrite Thomas Covenant as a Victorian woman traveling to a steampunk alternate/inner world.</p>
<p>It would be a nice compromise between the estate milking the legacy for every last drop, and not directly screwing with the original author&#8217;s own vision and style, etcetera.</p>
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