<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
	xmlns:itunes="http://www.itunes.com/dtds/podcast-1.0.dtd"
xmlns:rawvoice="http://www.rawvoice.com/rawvoiceRssModule/"
	>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: Blog for a Beer: Unpopular Opinions</title>
	<atom:link href="http://www.fantasy-magazine.com/2008/09/blog-for-a-beer-unpopular-opinions/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://www.fantasy-magazine.com/contests/blog-for-a/blog-for-a-beer-unpopular-opinions/</link>
	<description>From Modern Mythcraft to Magical Surrealism</description>
	<lastBuildDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 04:16:18 +0000</lastBuildDate>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1</generator>
	<item>
		<title>By: Michael Gordon</title>
		<link>http://www.fantasy-magazine.com/contests/blog-for-a/blog-for-a-beer-unpopular-opinions/comment-page-2/#comment-5643</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Gordon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 12:27:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.darkfantasy.org/fantasy/?p=950#comment-5643</guid>
		<description>Jennifer @ 53: &lt;i&gt;But no one else seems to realize that. There is nothing shameful about pulling from myth, but I hate it that people don’t seem to understand that that is what he did.&lt;/i&gt;

This is the part that bothers me. Why do you assume that those of us who like Tolkien&#039;s work are ignorant of Norse and Teutonic myths? I&#039;m fairly well aware of how much was taken from the legends and sagas to shape Middle Earth&#039;s background and stories, but I can still enjoy what Tolkien did with it. In fact, I think he he reinvented myths more than stole from them. If you read the Ainulindalë you can see how much he &quot;stole&quot; from Judeo-Christian mythology too, but his fusion of mono- and polytheism makes for a great tapestry to build a fantasy world. 

Anyhoo, I&#039;m well past my two cents&#039; worth now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jennifer @ 53: <i>But no one else seems to realize that. There is nothing shameful about pulling from myth, but I hate it that people don’t seem to understand that that is what he did.</i></p>
<p>This is the part that bothers me. Why do you assume that those of us who like Tolkien&#8217;s work are ignorant of Norse and Teutonic myths? I&#8217;m fairly well aware of how much was taken from the legends and sagas to shape Middle Earth&#8217;s background and stories, but I can still enjoy what Tolkien did with it. In fact, I think he he reinvented myths more than stole from them. If you read the Ainulindalë you can see how much he &#8220;stole&#8221; from Judeo-Christian mythology too, but his fusion of mono- and polytheism makes for a great tapestry to build a fantasy world. </p>
<p>Anyhoo, I&#8217;m well past my two cents&#8217; worth now.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Cheryl Holland</title>
		<link>http://www.fantasy-magazine.com/contests/blog-for-a/blog-for-a-beer-unpopular-opinions/comment-page-2/#comment-5637</link>
		<dc:creator>Cheryl Holland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 11:08:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.darkfantasy.org/fantasy/?p=950#comment-5637</guid>
		<description>[/i]I respect his use of myth, but it is the fault of his popularity that much of the literary world thinks that fantasy is unintellectual escapism…because a whole generation of writers didn’t try to do anything more than be Tolkien-Light, and therefore ruined the reputation of the genre.[/i]

That&#039;s not Tolkien&#039;s fault, but that of the writers who tried to emulate him. A lot of fantasy references myth, folklore, or fairy tale in some way so I agree with JS Bangs - why is it a problem?

Likewise, since Tolkien made no bones that he was writing a history (albeit a made-up one) for his made-up languages to live in, why be upset that LOTR is or reads like a history? It&#039;s not like it&#039;s false advertising!

Just for the record, I&#039;ve read all of it but never all of the way through, and I haven&#039;t managed to sit through all of the films yet either. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[/i]I respect his use of myth, but it is the fault of his popularity that much of the literary world thinks that fantasy is unintellectual escapism…because a whole generation of writers didn’t try to do anything more than be Tolkien-Light, and therefore ruined the reputation of the genre.[/i]</p>
<p>That&#8217;s not Tolkien&#8217;s fault, but that of the writers who tried to emulate him. A lot of fantasy references myth, folklore, or fairy tale in some way so I agree with JS Bangs &#8211; why is it a problem?</p>
<p>Likewise, since Tolkien made no bones that he was writing a history (albeit a made-up one) for his made-up languages to live in, why be upset that LOTR is or reads like a history? It&#8217;s not like it&#8217;s false advertising!</p>
<p>Just for the record, I&#8217;ve read all of it but never all of the way through, and I haven&#8217;t managed to sit through all of the films yet either. <img src='http://www.fantasy-magazine.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: JS Bangs</title>
		<link>http://www.fantasy-magazine.com/contests/blog-for-a/blog-for-a-beer-unpopular-opinions/comment-page-2/#comment-4640</link>
		<dc:creator>JS Bangs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 15:54:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.darkfantasy.org/fantasy/?p=950#comment-4640</guid>
		<description>&lt;i&gt;He had great ideas, but really his world building was essentially jacked from mythology.&lt;/i&gt;

And this is a problem why?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>He had great ideas, but really his world building was essentially jacked from mythology.</i></p>
<p>And this is a problem why?</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Jennifer</title>
		<link>http://www.fantasy-magazine.com/contests/blog-for-a/blog-for-a-beer-unpopular-opinions/comment-page-2/#comment-4624</link>
		<dc:creator>Jennifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 05:26:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.darkfantasy.org/fantasy/?p=950#comment-4624</guid>
		<description>Tolkien is so overrated. Yes, I said it. He had great ideas, but really his world building was essentially jacked from mythology. The elves are the celtic Sidhe, for example. I could list more, but it would take too long. So while I do enjoy his world and the way he created it, for people to act as though he is where fantasy began is absurd. Fantasy began long before Tolkien with far older texts such as Sir Gawain and the Green Knight or The King of Elflands Daughter by Lord Dunsay. Tolkien was primiarily a linguist and a historian...not a writer. He knew he was stealing from myth, he did it on purpose. But no one else seems to realize that. There is nothing shameful about pulling from myth, but I hate it that people don&#039;t seem to understand that that is what he did.

Plus, I&#039;m sorry, but his characters are flat, mostly because he wrote in third person objective, and therefore the reader never really gets to truly know them. He wrote it to be like a history, and in that he succeeded...when I read the books I could really care less who lived or died.

I respect his use of myth, but it is the fault of his popularity that much of the literary world thinks that fantasy is unintellectual escapism...because a whole generation of writers didn&#039;t try to do anything more than be Tolkien-Light, and therefore ruined the reputation of the genre.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tolkien is so overrated. Yes, I said it. He had great ideas, but really his world building was essentially jacked from mythology. The elves are the celtic Sidhe, for example. I could list more, but it would take too long. So while I do enjoy his world and the way he created it, for people to act as though he is where fantasy began is absurd. Fantasy began long before Tolkien with far older texts such as Sir Gawain and the Green Knight or The King of Elflands Daughter by Lord Dunsay. Tolkien was primiarily a linguist and a historian&#8230;not a writer. He knew he was stealing from myth, he did it on purpose. But no one else seems to realize that. There is nothing shameful about pulling from myth, but I hate it that people don&#8217;t seem to understand that that is what he did.</p>
<p>Plus, I&#8217;m sorry, but his characters are flat, mostly because he wrote in third person objective, and therefore the reader never really gets to truly know them. He wrote it to be like a history, and in that he succeeded&#8230;when I read the books I could really care less who lived or died.</p>
<p>I respect his use of myth, but it is the fault of his popularity that much of the literary world thinks that fantasy is unintellectual escapism&#8230;because a whole generation of writers didn&#8217;t try to do anything more than be Tolkien-Light, and therefore ruined the reputation of the genre.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Cheryl Holland</title>
		<link>http://www.fantasy-magazine.com/contests/blog-for-a/blog-for-a-beer-unpopular-opinions/comment-page-2/#comment-4593</link>
		<dc:creator>Cheryl Holland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 08:52:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.darkfantasy.org/fantasy/?p=950#comment-4593</guid>
		<description>And let&#039;s face it, as retellings/revisionings of Beowulf go it beats the godawful new animated Beowulf hands down: &quot;I have come to kill your monstah!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And let&#8217;s face it, as retellings/revisionings of Beowulf go it beats the godawful new animated Beowulf hands down: &#8220;I have come to kill your monstah!&#8221;</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Constance</title>
		<link>http://www.fantasy-magazine.com/contests/blog-for-a/blog-for-a-beer-unpopular-opinions/comment-page-2/#comment-4588</link>
		<dc:creator>Constance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 17:10:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.darkfantasy.org/fantasy/?p=950#comment-4588</guid>
		<description>The three elements that hooked me on &lt;i&gt;The 13th Warrior&lt;/i&gt; were:

- The movie used cinema technique so effectively to show (not tell) how someone who is already language-sound-rhythmically sophisticated, the Poet, learns a new language via total immersion.

- The horse!  She was a character all her own, while remaining horse, of course, rather than a stand-in for a human companion.  This also was fitting in the sense of a warrior&#039;s dependence upon his horse, as much as his sword and other companions.

- A convincing sense of what this meant to be a hero in your community, that first ideal of hero, which depended also upon warrior prowess and success.  This includes the battles described by another poster.

The villains of the piece, not so much.  Not even at all. But then, this was based on a Crichton novel, &lt;i&gt;Eaters of the Dead&lt;/i&gt;, so there you go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The three elements that hooked me on <i>The 13th Warrior</i> were:</p>
<p>- The movie used cinema technique so effectively to show (not tell) how someone who is already language-sound-rhythmically sophisticated, the Poet, learns a new language via total immersion.</p>
<p>- The horse!  She was a character all her own, while remaining horse, of course, rather than a stand-in for a human companion.  This also was fitting in the sense of a warrior&#8217;s dependence upon his horse, as much as his sword and other companions.</p>
<p>- A convincing sense of what this meant to be a hero in your community, that first ideal of hero, which depended also upon warrior prowess and success.  This includes the battles described by another poster.</p>
<p>The villains of the piece, not so much.  Not even at all. But then, this was based on a Crichton novel, <i>Eaters of the Dead</i>, so there you go.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Brian Dolton</title>
		<link>http://www.fantasy-magazine.com/contests/blog-for-a/blog-for-a-beer-unpopular-opinions/comment-page-1/#comment-4587</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Dolton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 12:19:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.darkfantasy.org/fantasy/?p=950#comment-4587</guid>
		<description>Let&#039;s go full circle.   I have watched &quot;The 13th Warrior&quot; several times, and still find much to enjoy about it.   It actually breaks away from a lot of the cliches of movies of that style, and while some of the &quot;period detail&quot; is highly questionable, some is actually accurate against the &quot;expectations&quot; of modern audiences (as the tritest of examples - they did NOT give their Rus warriors horned helmets).   The holmgang remains one of my favourite fantasy swordfights of all time, both for the fight itself (which both accurately depicts the sheer physical brutality of the fight, and yet shows that skill CAN trump physique), and for the way it&#039;s set up, as a quite deliberate way to get Bulwyf and his men into the position of uncontested authority on the strategies to be employed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s go full circle.   I have watched &#8220;The 13th Warrior&#8221; several times, and still find much to enjoy about it.   It actually breaks away from a lot of the cliches of movies of that style, and while some of the &#8220;period detail&#8221; is highly questionable, some is actually accurate against the &#8220;expectations&#8221; of modern audiences (as the tritest of examples &#8211; they did NOT give their Rus warriors horned helmets).   The holmgang remains one of my favourite fantasy swordfights of all time, both for the fight itself (which both accurately depicts the sheer physical brutality of the fight, and yet shows that skill CAN trump physique), and for the way it&#8217;s set up, as a quite deliberate way to get Bulwyf and his men into the position of uncontested authority on the strategies to be employed.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Cat C.</title>
		<link>http://www.fantasy-magazine.com/contests/blog-for-a/blog-for-a-beer-unpopular-opinions/comment-page-1/#comment-4580</link>
		<dc:creator>Cat C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 12:36:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.darkfantasy.org/fantasy/?p=950#comment-4580</guid>
		<description>Hi Dawn,

I&#039;m curious as to which parts/themes/etc of the Dark Knight were racist? I&#039;m asking because I&#039;m genuinely curious, I promise I&#039;m not slamming on you or your opinion. I didn&#039;t notice anything overt I guess and I&#039;m curious about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Dawn,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m curious as to which parts/themes/etc of the Dark Knight were racist? I&#8217;m asking because I&#8217;m genuinely curious, I promise I&#8217;m not slamming on you or your opinion. I didn&#8217;t notice anything overt I guess and I&#8217;m curious about it.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Dawn</title>
		<link>http://www.fantasy-magazine.com/contests/blog-for-a/blog-for-a-beer-unpopular-opinions/comment-page-1/#comment-4574</link>
		<dc:creator>Dawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 03:52:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.darkfantasy.org/fantasy/?p=950#comment-4574</guid>
		<description>I hated the Dark Knight movie because of the racism in it. That said, the rest of the movie was pretty good. I do think Heath Ledger&#039;s performance in the movie was good but not as jaw-droppingly amazing as it was hyped up to be.

I am possibly one of the few people who prefer the Silmarillion to LOTR.

I hate the Narnia books.

I believe Robert Silverberg is overrated. I&#039;ve read travel brochures that are more interesting than his novels. I mean that literally.

And one of my favourite fantasy series (for TV) is a cheesy Italian series called Fantaghiro (The Cave of the Golden Rose). It comes complete with poor acting, poor dialogue and poor special effects as per tradition in SFF movies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hated the Dark Knight movie because of the racism in it. That said, the rest of the movie was pretty good. I do think Heath Ledger&#8217;s performance in the movie was good but not as jaw-droppingly amazing as it was hyped up to be.</p>
<p>I am possibly one of the few people who prefer the Silmarillion to LOTR.</p>
<p>I hate the Narnia books.</p>
<p>I believe Robert Silverberg is overrated. I&#8217;ve read travel brochures that are more interesting than his novels. I mean that literally.</p>
<p>And one of my favourite fantasy series (for TV) is a cheesy Italian series called Fantaghiro (The Cave of the Golden Rose). It comes complete with poor acting, poor dialogue and poor special effects as per tradition in SFF movies.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Constance</title>
		<link>http://www.fantasy-magazine.com/contests/blog-for-a/blog-for-a-beer-unpopular-opinions/comment-page-1/#comment-4568</link>
		<dc:creator>Constance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 20:48:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.darkfantasy.org/fantasy/?p=950#comment-4568</guid>
		<description>Another supporter of &lt;i&gt;The 13th Warrior&lt;/i&gt; here.

&lt;i&gt;Star Wars&lt;/i&gt; and &lt;i&gt;Star Trek&lt;/i&gt; of any season or episode are thudthudding bores.  Unwatchable.  And really, really unlistenable.

Love, C.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another supporter of <i>The 13th Warrior</i> here.</p>
<p><i>Star Wars</i> and <i>Star Trek</i> of any season or episode are thudthudding bores.  Unwatchable.  And really, really unlistenable.</p>
<p>Love, C.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>

