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	<title>Comments on: Blog For A Beer: Steampunk</title>
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		<title>By: coetsee</title>
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		<dc:creator>coetsee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 04:52:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Influence can be defined as the power exerted over the minds and behavior of others. A power that can affect, persuade and cause changes to someone or something. In order to influence people, you first need to discover what is already influencing them. What makes them tick? What do they care about? We need some leverage to work with when we’re trying to change how people think and behave.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Influence can be defined as the power exerted over the minds and behavior of others. A power that can affect, persuade and cause changes to someone or something. In order to influence people, you first need to discover what is already influencing them. What makes them tick? What do they care about? We need some leverage to work with when we’re trying to change how people think and behave.</p>
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		<title>By: Clint</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clint</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 05:06:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Woo hoo!  Thank you very much!  As usual, that was some stiff competition.  I accept my award, wearing my bikini top, sequined cowboy hat and firing caps with my plastic six shooters.  Just like any other red-blooded American boy. :)

Randy, I&#039;m still waiting for &quot;Punk-Punk&quot; to make an appearance in the mainstream.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Woo hoo!  Thank you very much!  As usual, that was some stiff competition.  I accept my award, wearing my bikini top, sequined cowboy hat and firing caps with my plastic six shooters.  Just like any other red-blooded American boy. <img src='http://www.fantasy-magazine.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Randy, I&#8217;m still waiting for &#8220;Punk-Punk&#8221; to make an appearance in the mainstream.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Henderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randy Henderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 17:00:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yea Clint!  Indeed, your observations get to what makes much of Steampuck all vapor, no power.  Congrats!</description>
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		<title>By: K. Tempest Bradford</title>
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		<dc:creator>K. Tempest Bradford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 14:33:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s time to declare a winner!  *drumroll*

This week&#039;s prize goes to Clint Harris @ 6 for a well-thought-out and important (if less fun) point about Victorian culture.  Nick Mamatas was a close second.  And, as always, Randy amused us greatly.

Congrats, Clint!  An email will wing it&#039;s way to you soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s time to declare a winner!  *drumroll*</p>
<p>This week&#8217;s prize goes to Clint Harris @ 6 for a well-thought-out and important (if less fun) point about Victorian culture.  Nick Mamatas was a close second.  And, as always, Randy amused us greatly.</p>
<p>Congrats, Clint!  An email will wing it&#8217;s way to you soon.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Henderson</title>
		<link>http://www.fantasy-magazine.com/contests/blog-for-a/blog-for-a-beer-steampunk/comment-page-1/#comment-7084</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy Henderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 18:30:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I know. Aiel. Seuss. I smoetimes get my leettrs mixde pu.</description>
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		<title>By: Randy Henderson</title>
		<link>http://www.fantasy-magazine.com/contests/blog-for-a/blog-for-a-beer-steampunk/comment-page-1/#comment-7083</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy Henderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 18:19:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steampunk is a fine example of a semi-mainstream trend in fashion and technology that developed hand in hand with a similar trend in fantasy literature.

Here are some trends inspired by fantasy literature that a few brave souls tried out, but sadly failed to inspire a large-scale following.

&lt;b&gt;HERALDPUNK&lt;/b&gt; – &lt;b&gt;Inspiration&lt;/b&gt; Mercedes Lackey&#039;s Valdemar novels.  &lt;b&gt;Key Elements&lt;/b&gt;: white riding leathers.  &lt;b&gt;Outcome:&lt;/b&gt; Unfortunately, the lady who attempted to start this trend kept getting asked by pasty-faced men to spank them.  Just as well -- Heralds have absolutely nothing to wear after Labor Day.  

&lt;b&gt;AEILPUNK&lt;/b&gt; – &lt;b&gt;Inspiration&lt;/b&gt; Jordan&#039;s Wheel of Time series.  &lt;b&gt;Key Elements&lt;/b&gt;: Red-dyed hair; Desert cammo; Shoufa around the head; refusing to use a blade (uses chopstick instead to spear food).  &lt;b&gt;Outcome:&lt;/b&gt; Their fashion choice was not well received in an American airport, but their lawyers believe they will be released from Guantanamo soon.  Said one, &quot;Dude, the government has some serious Toh to us.&quot;

&lt;b&gt;PERNPUNK&lt;/b&gt; – &lt;b&gt;Inspiration&lt;/b&gt; Pern novels.  &lt;b&gt;Key Elements&lt;/b&gt;: Harps; Fur-lined riding boots, jackets and gloves; Goggles; Silver Threading; Customizing bikes and hogs into &quot;dragons&quot;; Iguana on the shoulder with cute strap-on wings (fire lizard).  &lt;b&gt;Outcome:&lt;/b&gt;  Looked down on by &quot;cool&quot; bikers.  Midwest and Minnesota resented being called the &quot;cold nothingness of between&quot; during the Pernpunk annual road trips.  Fur lining gets awfully hot post-Spring.  And Iguana poo on shirt -- &#039;nuff said.  

&lt;b&gt;WEREPUNK&lt;/b&gt; – &lt;b&gt;Inspiration&lt;/b&gt; Werewolves.  &lt;b&gt;Key Elements&lt;/b&gt;: Letting one&#039;s nails grow long; Unibrows are a plus;  Dog collars optional; and Not shaving.  Anywhere.  &lt;b&gt;Outcome:&lt;/b&gt; Letters from angry commune-living eco-warriors for stealing their look.  Lice. 

&lt;b&gt;TWILIGHTPUNK&lt;/b&gt; – &lt;b&gt;Inspiration&lt;/b&gt; Twilight series.  &lt;b&gt;Key Elements&lt;/b&gt;: Complete body glitter; Humorless disposition; Accessories include clingy co-dependent love interest.  &lt;b&gt;Outcome:&lt;/b&gt;  Banned by parents and roommates sick of body glitter all over furniture, towels, clothes, carpet, and car seats.  Most TPs reverted back to regular emo. Some graduated to glam.

&lt;b&gt;BUNNYPUNK&lt;/b&gt; – &lt;b&gt;Inspiration&lt;/b&gt; Watership Down.  &lt;b&gt;Key Elements&lt;/b&gt;: Bunny ears, bunny tails, bunny makeup (as in painted nose and wiskers, most definitely NOT makeup tested on bunnies).  &lt;b&gt;Outcome:&lt;/b&gt; Sued for trademark image infringement by Playboy.  

&lt;b&gt;NIMHPUNK&lt;/b&gt; – &lt;b&gt;Inspiration&lt;/b&gt; The Secret of Nimh.   &lt;b&gt;Key Elements&lt;/b&gt;: Mouse ears, mouse tails, rapiers, and gaudy jewelry.  &lt;b&gt;Outcome:&lt;/b&gt; This movement had a similar struggle as the Bunnypunks, but against Disney&#039;s mouse dominance.  Needless to say, Disney was far more ruthless than Playboy.  The matter was not helped by the fact that the NIMHPUNK members had unthinkingly clicked the little &quot;I Accept&quot; box on a popup End User License Agreement window while viewing an ESPN video online.  ESPN is, of course, a corporate affiliate of the Disney-ABC family, and the agreement forbade them from ever doing anything, ever, that in any way made use of anything vaguely resembling a Disney-ABC-ESPN brand or trademarked image, word, or concept without express permission. (Legal disclaimer: This was, of course, satire.  By reading this, Disney and all of its corporate affiliates agree not to sue me.  Mickey is great.  I love Mickey.  Even though he hasn&#039;t done anything significant in decades.  Not that he has to.  I was NOT implying that Mickey is lazy or incredibly overrated.  Really.).

&lt;b&gt;SUESSPUNK&lt;/b&gt; – &lt;b&gt;Key Elements&lt;/b&gt;: Big floppy red and white hats; red fish, blue fish; swooshy green or blue hairdos; annoying plastic musical instruments.  &lt;b&gt;Outcome:&lt;/b&gt; Became too much of a hassle being constantly stopped and frisked for drugs by the police.  But they still occasionally dress up for Hempfest.

&lt;b&gt;HEROPUNK&lt;/b&gt; – &lt;b&gt;Inspiration&lt;/b&gt; Super heroes.  &lt;b&gt;Key Elements&lt;/b&gt;: Tights, capes, wearing one&#039;s underwear on the outside of one&#039;s pants, masks.  &lt;b&gt;Outcome:&lt;/b&gt;  The pudding ain&#039;t bad, but the electroshock sucks.

&lt;b&gt;BUCKPUNK&lt;/b&gt; – &lt;b&gt;Inspiration&lt;/b&gt; The classic Buck Rogers and other early Sci Fi serials.  &lt;b&gt;Key Elements&lt;/b&gt;: Bomber jackets, tight &quot;captain&#039;s&quot; pants, and glossy boots; Miniskirts, bullet bras, large belts and tiaras;  Arm guards; Decrypto-watches and rings; Metal clockwork robots; Toys and gadgets with sparklers. &lt;b&gt;Outcome:&lt;/b&gt; Boys kicked out of Boyscouts of America for being gay (even though they weren&#039;t).  Girls embraced by conservative groups who misconstrued fashion choice as a return to the mythical womanly values of the 1950s – then kicked out when desire to battle space monsters discovered.  But mostly, got tired of being called Steampunk, and having to explain how they weren&#039;t.  

Speaking of Buckpunk, check out these awesome rayguns from the Weta Workshop folks:
http://www.wetanz.com/holics/index.php?catid=4</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steampunk is a fine example of a semi-mainstream trend in fashion and technology that developed hand in hand with a similar trend in fantasy literature.</p>
<p>Here are some trends inspired by fantasy literature that a few brave souls tried out, but sadly failed to inspire a large-scale following.</p>
<p><b>HERALDPUNK</b> – <b>Inspiration</b> Mercedes Lackey&#8217;s Valdemar novels.  <b>Key Elements</b>: white riding leathers.  <b>Outcome:</b> Unfortunately, the lady who attempted to start this trend kept getting asked by pasty-faced men to spank them.  Just as well &#8212; Heralds have absolutely nothing to wear after Labor Day.  </p>
<p><b>AEILPUNK</b> – <b>Inspiration</b> Jordan&#8217;s Wheel of Time series.  <b>Key Elements</b>: Red-dyed hair; Desert cammo; Shoufa around the head; refusing to use a blade (uses chopstick instead to spear food).  <b>Outcome:</b> Their fashion choice was not well received in an American airport, but their lawyers believe they will be released from Guantanamo soon.  Said one, &#8220;Dude, the government has some serious Toh to us.&#8221;</p>
<p><b>PERNPUNK</b> – <b>Inspiration</b> Pern novels.  <b>Key Elements</b>: Harps; Fur-lined riding boots, jackets and gloves; Goggles; Silver Threading; Customizing bikes and hogs into &#8220;dragons&#8221;; Iguana on the shoulder with cute strap-on wings (fire lizard).  <b>Outcome:</b>  Looked down on by &#8220;cool&#8221; bikers.  Midwest and Minnesota resented being called the &#8220;cold nothingness of between&#8221; during the Pernpunk annual road trips.  Fur lining gets awfully hot post-Spring.  And Iguana poo on shirt &#8212; &#8217;nuff said.  </p>
<p><b>WEREPUNK</b> – <b>Inspiration</b> Werewolves.  <b>Key Elements</b>: Letting one&#8217;s nails grow long; Unibrows are a plus;  Dog collars optional; and Not shaving.  Anywhere.  <b>Outcome:</b> Letters from angry commune-living eco-warriors for stealing their look.  Lice. </p>
<p><b>TWILIGHTPUNK</b> – <b>Inspiration</b> Twilight series.  <b>Key Elements</b>: Complete body glitter; Humorless disposition; Accessories include clingy co-dependent love interest.  <b>Outcome:</b>  Banned by parents and roommates sick of body glitter all over furniture, towels, clothes, carpet, and car seats.  Most TPs reverted back to regular emo. Some graduated to glam.</p>
<p><b>BUNNYPUNK</b> – <b>Inspiration</b> Watership Down.  <b>Key Elements</b>: Bunny ears, bunny tails, bunny makeup (as in painted nose and wiskers, most definitely NOT makeup tested on bunnies).  <b>Outcome:</b> Sued for trademark image infringement by Playboy.  </p>
<p><b>NIMHPUNK</b> – <b>Inspiration</b> The Secret of Nimh.   <b>Key Elements</b>: Mouse ears, mouse tails, rapiers, and gaudy jewelry.  <b>Outcome:</b> This movement had a similar struggle as the Bunnypunks, but against Disney&#8217;s mouse dominance.  Needless to say, Disney was far more ruthless than Playboy.  The matter was not helped by the fact that the NIMHPUNK members had unthinkingly clicked the little &#8220;I Accept&#8221; box on a popup End User License Agreement window while viewing an ESPN video online.  ESPN is, of course, a corporate affiliate of the Disney-ABC family, and the agreement forbade them from ever doing anything, ever, that in any way made use of anything vaguely resembling a Disney-ABC-ESPN brand or trademarked image, word, or concept without express permission. (Legal disclaimer: This was, of course, satire.  By reading this, Disney and all of its corporate affiliates agree not to sue me.  Mickey is great.  I love Mickey.  Even though he hasn&#8217;t done anything significant in decades.  Not that he has to.  I was NOT implying that Mickey is lazy or incredibly overrated.  Really.).</p>
<p><b>SUESSPUNK</b> – <b>Key Elements</b>: Big floppy red and white hats; red fish, blue fish; swooshy green or blue hairdos; annoying plastic musical instruments.  <b>Outcome:</b> Became too much of a hassle being constantly stopped and frisked for drugs by the police.  But they still occasionally dress up for Hempfest.</p>
<p><b>HEROPUNK</b> – <b>Inspiration</b> Super heroes.  <b>Key Elements</b>: Tights, capes, wearing one&#8217;s underwear on the outside of one&#8217;s pants, masks.  <b>Outcome:</b>  The pudding ain&#8217;t bad, but the electroshock sucks.</p>
<p><b>BUCKPUNK</b> – <b>Inspiration</b> The classic Buck Rogers and other early Sci Fi serials.  <b>Key Elements</b>: Bomber jackets, tight &#8220;captain&#8217;s&#8221; pants, and glossy boots; Miniskirts, bullet bras, large belts and tiaras;  Arm guards; Decrypto-watches and rings; Metal clockwork robots; Toys and gadgets with sparklers. <b>Outcome:</b> Boys kicked out of Boyscouts of America for being gay (even though they weren&#8217;t).  Girls embraced by conservative groups who misconstrued fashion choice as a return to the mythical womanly values of the 1950s – then kicked out when desire to battle space monsters discovered.  But mostly, got tired of being called Steampunk, and having to explain how they weren&#8217;t.  </p>
<p>Speaking of Buckpunk, check out these awesome rayguns from the Weta Workshop folks:<br />
<a href="http://www.wetanz.com/holics/index.php?catid=4" rel="nofollow">http://www.wetanz.com/holics/index.php?catid=4</a></p>
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		<title>By: Nick Mamatas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick Mamatas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 17:06:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steampunk fashion reminds me of the Miss Universe contest.  Do they still have such beauty pageants?  I remember watching it when I was a kid; at the beginning of the show the Miss Countries of the world would come out in their &quot;native dress.&quot;  So Miss Greece would wear a toga of some sort, Miss Holland an apron and wooden shoes.  Miss USA would wear the native dress of the United States: a red sequined cowboy hat, a blue star-spangled bikini top.  White leather short-shorts with plastic six-guns holstered on either hip, and bright red cowboy boots with fringes and what not.

You know, the same stuff the Americans who are posting on this blog are all wearing right now.

Of course, that isn&#039;t to say that steampunk literature is all remarkably deep and committed to interrogating the discontents of early industrial capitalism through an aesthetic of liberatory appropriation and squatting, but it is naturally a bit deeper than fashion as words on a page offer a qualitatively different experience than viewing, wearing, or even constructing clothing.

Anyway, I actually find a lot of steampunk lit boring as well, because it is too much like the steampunk fashions.  All goggles and airships, not enough waifs and colonialism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steampunk fashion reminds me of the Miss Universe contest.  Do they still have such beauty pageants?  I remember watching it when I was a kid; at the beginning of the show the Miss Countries of the world would come out in their &#8220;native dress.&#8221;  So Miss Greece would wear a toga of some sort, Miss Holland an apron and wooden shoes.  Miss USA would wear the native dress of the United States: a red sequined cowboy hat, a blue star-spangled bikini top.  White leather short-shorts with plastic six-guns holstered on either hip, and bright red cowboy boots with fringes and what not.</p>
<p>You know, the same stuff the Americans who are posting on this blog are all wearing right now.</p>
<p>Of course, that isn&#8217;t to say that steampunk literature is all remarkably deep and committed to interrogating the discontents of early industrial capitalism through an aesthetic of liberatory appropriation and squatting, but it is naturally a bit deeper than fashion as words on a page offer a qualitatively different experience than viewing, wearing, or even constructing clothing.</p>
<p>Anyway, I actually find a lot of steampunk lit boring as well, because it is too much like the steampunk fashions.  All goggles and airships, not enough waifs and colonialism.</p>
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		<title>By: veejane</title>
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		<dc:creator>veejane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 16:24:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny pirates should come up. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/26/fashion/26pirates.html?ref=style&amp;pagewanted=all&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;They have their own cons&lt;/a&gt; now, and snitty arguments about who is a &lt;i&gt;real&lt;/i&gt; pirate and who is being slapdash and/or shallow with it.

I&#039;m always surprised that people promulgate these named movements, and then act shocked or dismayed when general culture treats the movement as a grab-bag. Isn&#039;t it ever thus? And isn&#039;t, in some ways, it better to be borrowed and accessorized with than to be ignored completely?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny pirates should come up. <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/26/fashion/26pirates.html?ref=style&amp;pagewanted=all" rel="nofollow">They have their own cons</a> now, and snitty arguments about who is a <i>real</i> pirate and who is being slapdash and/or shallow with it.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m always surprised that people promulgate these named movements, and then act shocked or dismayed when general culture treats the movement as a grab-bag. Isn&#8217;t it ever thus? And isn&#8217;t, in some ways, it better to be borrowed and accessorized with than to be ignored completely?</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff VanderMeer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff VanderMeer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 14:50:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the key to understanding the subculture is to realize it did not come to steampunk through the literature. instead it arose largely independent of it and is closely allied with the DIY culture. for this reason I don&#039;t find it to be false although I understand why some might feel that way. this is all from having talked to several people in that subculture. and I see a lot of positives in a subculture that believes in recycling, green technology, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the key to understanding the subculture is to realize it did not come to steampunk through the literature. instead it arose largely independent of it and is closely allied with the DIY culture. for this reason I don&#8217;t find it to be false although I understand why some might feel that way. this is all from having talked to several people in that subculture. and I see a lot of positives in a subculture that believes in recycling, green technology, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Cat C.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cat C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 22:51:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with a lot of what Clint had to say @ 6. I think steampunk is cool but I think that it can tend towards wish-fufillment, almost fan-fic-y, sometimes. When it&#039;s too much &quot;steam&quot; (pretty Victorian exterior) and not enough &quot;punk&quot; (big social/economic revolution or and upheaval of some kind) then it feels a bit false to me. I mean, yeah, it&#039;s your perogative to pick out only the prettiest bits of the era to play with, but without some sort of substance to it, all of the brass, gears, and lace don&#039;t mean much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with a lot of what Clint had to say @ 6. I think steampunk is cool but I think that it can tend towards wish-fufillment, almost fan-fic-y, sometimes. When it&#8217;s too much &#8220;steam&#8221; (pretty Victorian exterior) and not enough &#8220;punk&#8221; (big social/economic revolution or and upheaval of some kind) then it feels a bit false to me. I mean, yeah, it&#8217;s your perogative to pick out only the prettiest bits of the era to play with, but without some sort of substance to it, all of the brass, gears, and lace don&#8217;t mean much.</p>
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