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		<title>By: Forexfires</title>
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		<dc:creator>Forexfires</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 16:08:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Definitely worth the read</description>
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		<title>By: Fantasy Magazine &#187; Spotlight: January Authors D. Elizabeth Wasden, Darren Speegle &#38; Chantel Tattoli</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fantasy Magazine &#187; Spotlight: January Authors D. Elizabeth Wasden, Darren Speegle &#38; Chantel Tattoli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 19:40:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] February 3rd, 2009permalink,&#160;jump to commentsA few months ago in an editorial, I asked why we don&#8217;t often see as many comments on our fiction as we do on our non-fiction. The answers, opinions, and suggestions our readers offered were very illuminating and much [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] February 3rd, 2009permalink,&nbsp;jump to commentsA few months ago in an editorial, I asked why we don&#8217;t often see as many comments on our fiction as we do on our non-fiction. The answers, opinions, and suggestions our readers offered were very illuminating and much [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Erika</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erika</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 17:33:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For what it&#039;s worth, reviews and comments have fallen off in the past year of my time in fanfiction also.  It may be that the comment box just isn&#039;t the fascinating shiny new toy it once was.

However, the forums on the fanfic site have an activity that seems to help prompt more comments.  They formed a society for concrit writers.  The group has a huge amount of fun that&#039;s viewable to all forum users, but you can&#039;t post there and join the fun chats and things unless you&#039;re a member.  To become a member, you have to write a certain number of rich, concrit-laden reviews yourself in a literate and coherent manner.

Otherwise I have no suggestions, but always did enjoy the reviews, even if they were in the OMG THATS KEWL vein.  Who doesn&#039;t like the occasional pat on the head?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For what it&#8217;s worth, reviews and comments have fallen off in the past year of my time in fanfiction also.  It may be that the comment box just isn&#8217;t the fascinating shiny new toy it once was.</p>
<p>However, the forums on the fanfic site have an activity that seems to help prompt more comments.  They formed a society for concrit writers.  The group has a huge amount of fun that&#8217;s viewable to all forum users, but you can&#8217;t post there and join the fun chats and things unless you&#8217;re a member.  To become a member, you have to write a certain number of rich, concrit-laden reviews yourself in a literate and coherent manner.</p>
<p>Otherwise I have no suggestions, but always did enjoy the reviews, even if they were in the OMG THATS KEWL vein.  Who doesn&#8217;t like the occasional pat on the head?</p>
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		<title>By: John O'Neill</title>
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		<dc:creator>John O'Neill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 01:31:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to agree with Justine, upthread:

&gt;I rarely comment on stories I read. I think it’s
&gt;because it takes me a long time to digest them. 

Non-fiction I frequently feel the urge to respond to immediately.  Not so with fiction.  I think Justine&#039;s right - it takes a little longer to digest art than opinion.

- John</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to agree with Justine, upthread:</p>
<p>&gt;I rarely comment on stories I read. I think it’s<br />
&gt;because it takes me a long time to digest them. </p>
<p>Non-fiction I frequently feel the urge to respond to immediately.  Not so with fiction.  I think Justine&#8217;s right &#8211; it takes a little longer to digest art than opinion.</p>
<p>- John</p>
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		<title>By: silviamg</title>
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		<dc:creator>silviamg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 03:07:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I generally do not comment on the stories because like others said, it seems pointless to engage in a discussion on this sucks, this doesn&#039;t suck. Unlike a TV show, where I might pop by every week to read people&#039;s comments and reply, commenting on a short story seems to be a solitary experience. I can&#039;t talk about actors, storyline, secondary characters. It&#039;s just a short experience. What could I say? &quot;Regarding The Call of Cthulhu I think it&#039;s boring and dull and the monster sucks.&quot; Ta-da, I&#039;m done. Now if we were talking about Cthulhu Mythos in general maybe I would pop by to comment.  

Some of the places where I have seen people comment on stories have been a bit snarky and it was the same people commenting over and over again. Neither option appeals too much to me. When I want to hear some analysis on a story I check the places that review fiction.

I can&#039;t see myself being moved to comment online unless it is to ask for clarification, and then I would probably e-mail the person anyway. I might write a line on my blog saying &quot;this is neat!&quot; but that&#039;s about it.

I can see how a rating system might be useful (just like a poll) to do a year end review and tell readers what the favourite stories of the year were. 

Anyway, there you have my opinion!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I generally do not comment on the stories because like others said, it seems pointless to engage in a discussion on this sucks, this doesn&#8217;t suck. Unlike a TV show, where I might pop by every week to read people&#8217;s comments and reply, commenting on a short story seems to be a solitary experience. I can&#8217;t talk about actors, storyline, secondary characters. It&#8217;s just a short experience. What could I say? &#8220;Regarding The Call of Cthulhu I think it&#8217;s boring and dull and the monster sucks.&#8221; Ta-da, I&#8217;m done. Now if we were talking about Cthulhu Mythos in general maybe I would pop by to comment.  </p>
<p>Some of the places where I have seen people comment on stories have been a bit snarky and it was the same people commenting over and over again. Neither option appeals too much to me. When I want to hear some analysis on a story I check the places that review fiction.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t see myself being moved to comment online unless it is to ask for clarification, and then I would probably e-mail the person anyway. I might write a line on my blog saying &#8220;this is neat!&#8221; but that&#8217;s about it.</p>
<p>I can see how a rating system might be useful (just like a poll) to do a year end review and tell readers what the favourite stories of the year were. </p>
<p>Anyway, there you have my opinion!</p>
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		<title>By: Cat C.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cat C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 21:30:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*pin drop*

:0)</description>
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<p>:0)</p>
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		<title>By: Clint Harris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clint Harris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 20:54:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with Cat C. on this.  There are some stories I&#039;ve read here that have moved me, that really set the bar for what I think is the right (subjective term, I know) direction fantasy is moving in.  I.e. Lisa Mantchev&#039;s &quot;The Girl with Blueberry Eyes&quot;, and Berrien Henderson&#039;s Ornithomancy/Auguries story are prime examples.  I really like what Fantasy is showing off here, and rather than bust on more established magazines, I propose that the dead-tree publications learn from  markets such as this and start looking for this calibre of fiction, as opposed to focusing on household names in the genre who are telling the same tired stories we read each month.

The reason I bring this up is thus: any trunk story by an established author will get some ink in Locus or other critics, but we don&#039;t see as much of that for online magazines, especially considering at this stage of the game, online magazines are still waiting to have the pull of a dead-tree magazine.  Sometimes you&#039;ll see a phenomenal story from an online mag in an anthology or YB tome, or at least a mention. But how often do we see a Locus write up on an online story?  Probably more often than not these days.  Which is great news.  I don&#039;t agree that the format of the magazine reflects the quality of the work.  Some of the best-loved stories of our times were printed in pulps or scribbled out on velum, pressed out in clay, and travel to millions as intangiable pieces of data via electronic pulses.

What&#039;s my point? If critics aren&#039;t diving into what is offered on the web as far as fiction goes, they are missing out.  Comments can allow for some of that niche to be filled, but it can be a tad rude, or worse, writing up a professional style critique just a few inches below the original text.  There ought to be a disconnect, a place where works can be discussed without looking like an attack.  That&#039;s why criticism appears in magazines like Locus, and not on the pages following the original text.

Plus, not everyone likes the chorus of opinion that follows, sometimes &quot;Sweet story!&quot; is enough, but sometimes it&#039;s hard to say.  We feel we should offer up more, to describe the level of emotion something has made us feel, but in the end that too falls flat.  Or we feel ridiculous and fannish for our opinions.  

Then we are left with silence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with Cat C. on this.  There are some stories I&#8217;ve read here that have moved me, that really set the bar for what I think is the right (subjective term, I know) direction fantasy is moving in.  I.e. Lisa Mantchev&#8217;s &#8220;The Girl with Blueberry Eyes&#8221;, and Berrien Henderson&#8217;s Ornithomancy/Auguries story are prime examples.  I really like what Fantasy is showing off here, and rather than bust on more established magazines, I propose that the dead-tree publications learn from  markets such as this and start looking for this calibre of fiction, as opposed to focusing on household names in the genre who are telling the same tired stories we read each month.</p>
<p>The reason I bring this up is thus: any trunk story by an established author will get some ink in Locus or other critics, but we don&#8217;t see as much of that for online magazines, especially considering at this stage of the game, online magazines are still waiting to have the pull of a dead-tree magazine.  Sometimes you&#8217;ll see a phenomenal story from an online mag in an anthology or YB tome, or at least a mention. But how often do we see a Locus write up on an online story?  Probably more often than not these days.  Which is great news.  I don&#8217;t agree that the format of the magazine reflects the quality of the work.  Some of the best-loved stories of our times were printed in pulps or scribbled out on velum, pressed out in clay, and travel to millions as intangiable pieces of data via electronic pulses.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s my point? If critics aren&#8217;t diving into what is offered on the web as far as fiction goes, they are missing out.  Comments can allow for some of that niche to be filled, but it can be a tad rude, or worse, writing up a professional style critique just a few inches below the original text.  There ought to be a disconnect, a place where works can be discussed without looking like an attack.  That&#8217;s why criticism appears in magazines like Locus, and not on the pages following the original text.</p>
<p>Plus, not everyone likes the chorus of opinion that follows, sometimes &#8220;Sweet story!&#8221; is enough, but sometimes it&#8217;s hard to say.  We feel we should offer up more, to describe the level of emotion something has made us feel, but in the end that too falls flat.  Or we feel ridiculous and fannish for our opinions.  </p>
<p>Then we are left with silence.</p>
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		<title>By: Cat C.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cat C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 20:23:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve left feedback on a few of the stories here, generally consisting of &quot;Awesome! Loved the story!&quot; or something along those lines. I usually leave that kind of feedback because I wouldn&#039;t feel comfortable giving constructive criticism in a comment box or having a thoughtful discussion about something I just read. Consequently, I don&#039;t feel like my comments are of much value to the author. It&#039;s always great to hear that people love your work but getting 300 responses all with short, one sentence variants of &quot;Sweet story!&quot; seems kind of pointless. I dunno, maybe that&#039;s just me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve left feedback on a few of the stories here, generally consisting of &#8220;Awesome! Loved the story!&#8221; or something along those lines. I usually leave that kind of feedback because I wouldn&#8217;t feel comfortable giving constructive criticism in a comment box or having a thoughtful discussion about something I just read. Consequently, I don&#8217;t feel like my comments are of much value to the author. It&#8217;s always great to hear that people love your work but getting 300 responses all with short, one sentence variants of &#8220;Sweet story!&#8221; seems kind of pointless. I dunno, maybe that&#8217;s just me.</p>
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		<title>By: steve davidson</title>
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		<dc:creator>steve davidson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 13:29:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suspect an additional dynamic is at work (in addition to some good guesses that others have posted):  most of the active participants on forums are folks who have some kind of an online presence in &#039;the community&#039;.  Many are themselves aspiring writers.

I know when writing reviews for various sites that I am perhaps overly conscious of the fact that the author of the work being reviewed is staring over my shoulder.  Word will get back to them.  They have friends and a fan base and, if I&#039;m unkind or &#039;wrong&#039;, I&#039;ll be hearing from them in a manner that might negatively affect my own traffic.

In the old days - no such worries.  This is not necessarily a bad thing - if I&#039;m going to pan something, I&#039;m more motivated to do it for what I think are the right reasons - reasons I can defend.

But I do suspect that the potential presence of the authors curtails meaningful commentary, as does the fact that the commentors themselves have intentions of submitting works to those same markets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suspect an additional dynamic is at work (in addition to some good guesses that others have posted):  most of the active participants on forums are folks who have some kind of an online presence in &#8216;the community&#8217;.  Many are themselves aspiring writers.</p>
<p>I know when writing reviews for various sites that I am perhaps overly conscious of the fact that the author of the work being reviewed is staring over my shoulder.  Word will get back to them.  They have friends and a fan base and, if I&#8217;m unkind or &#8216;wrong&#8217;, I&#8217;ll be hearing from them in a manner that might negatively affect my own traffic.</p>
<p>In the old days &#8211; no such worries.  This is not necessarily a bad thing &#8211; if I&#8217;m going to pan something, I&#8217;m more motivated to do it for what I think are the right reasons &#8211; reasons I can defend.</p>
<p>But I do suspect that the potential presence of the authors curtails meaningful commentary, as does the fact that the commentors themselves have intentions of submitting works to those same markets.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Sherry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Sherry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 00:48:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As much as a publication can allow a forum for readers to comment, I&#039;m not entirely comfortable with the idea of posting comments directly on the story where I expect the author may read the comments.

I say this in fully hypocrisy and knowledge that when I write about stories on my blog I get linked by the writer and sometimes a simple thanks for writing about the story...so what I do on the blog is the same as what the comments on a story would do.  

If I didn&#039;t blog about fiction, I might be more inclined to directly write about the stories on the provided forum, but I have another thought.

I&#039;m not the sort of person who wants to be the first person to comment on something and if there are no discussions ongoing I am less likely to start one.  For me, the lack of that discussion community is keeping me away from being part of a discussion community.  

Weird.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As much as a publication can allow a forum for readers to comment, I&#8217;m not entirely comfortable with the idea of posting comments directly on the story where I expect the author may read the comments.</p>
<p>I say this in fully hypocrisy and knowledge that when I write about stories on my blog I get linked by the writer and sometimes a simple thanks for writing about the story&#8230;so what I do on the blog is the same as what the comments on a story would do.  </p>
<p>If I didn&#8217;t blog about fiction, I might be more inclined to directly write about the stories on the provided forum, but I have another thought.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not the sort of person who wants to be the first person to comment on something and if there are no discussions ongoing I am less likely to start one.  For me, the lack of that discussion community is keeping me away from being part of a discussion community.  </p>
<p>Weird.</p>
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