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	<title>Comments on: Dollhouse Season 1, Episode 11: &#8220;Briar Rose&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: Astraea</title>
		<link>http://www.fantasy-magazine.com/non-fiction/articles/dollhouse-season-1-episode-11-briar-rose/comment-page-1/#comment-10304</link>
		<dc:creator>Astraea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 11:21:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I have another friend who had this to say about it — “I think Dollhouse is trying to be noirish … with no one to really like or root for–which is ambitious, but I don’t think they’re really succeeding–instead, they’re creating lukewarm characters who people like anyway and then get upset when they behave unlikeably.”&lt;/i&gt;

haha!  That&#039;s very true.  The only character I find vaguely interesting is DeWitt, but I think that&#039;s mostly due to the actress.  I think they also wasted Dominic, who could have been a really interesting character if we found out he was NSA before the Dollhouse.  (He also makes Ballard look like a tool.)

oh, and can at least a few people please stop with the &quot;Dollhouse uses metaphor and symbolism so subtly you just aren&#039;t seeing it&quot; after Briar Rose?  I mean, come on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I have another friend who had this to say about it — “I think Dollhouse is trying to be noirish … with no one to really like or root for–which is ambitious, but I don’t think they’re really succeeding–instead, they’re creating lukewarm characters who people like anyway and then get upset when they behave unlikeably.”</i></p>
<p>haha!  That&#8217;s very true.  The only character I find vaguely interesting is DeWitt, but I think that&#8217;s mostly due to the actress.  I think they also wasted Dominic, who could have been a really interesting character if we found out he was NSA before the Dollhouse.  (He also makes Ballard look like a tool.)</p>
<p>oh, and can at least a few people please stop with the &#8220;Dollhouse uses metaphor and symbolism so subtly you just aren&#8217;t seeing it&#8221; after Briar Rose?  I mean, come on.</p>
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		<title>By: Nina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 06:37:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DUDE MELLIE IS TOTALLY HAWT. And I have another friend who is allllllll over her, too. Clearly we will have to fight to the death.

I live to make you laugh. :D

Astraea:  The POV is screwy! I totally agree with you. I have another friend who had this to say about it — &quot;I think Dollhouse is trying to be noirish ... with no one to really like or root for--which is ambitious, but I don&#039;t think they&#039;re really succeeding--instead, they&#039;re creating lukewarm characters who people like anyway and then get upset when they behave unlikeably.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DUDE MELLIE IS TOTALLY HAWT. And I have another friend who is allllllll over her, too. Clearly we will have to fight to the death.</p>
<p>I live to make you laugh. <img src='http://www.fantasy-magazine.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Astraea:  The POV is screwy! I totally agree with you. I have another friend who had this to say about it — &#8220;I think Dollhouse is trying to be noirish &#8230; with no one to really like or root for&#8211;which is ambitious, but I don&#8217;t think they&#8217;re really succeeding&#8211;instead, they&#8217;re creating lukewarm characters who people like anyway and then get upset when they behave unlikeably.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: K. Tempest Bradford</title>
		<link>http://www.fantasy-magazine.com/non-fiction/articles/dollhouse-season-1-episode-11-briar-rose/comment-page-1/#comment-10297</link>
		<dc:creator>K. Tempest Bradford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 May 2009 21:09:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;I am so over Paul Ballard and his bullshit.&lt;/em&gt;

Knowing you as I do, this line made me laugh so hard. :D

And though I am sure many guys would consider Mellie not very attractive, can I confess how HAWT I consider her? Ever since she first showed up I have been on Mellie watch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>I am so over Paul Ballard and his bullshit.</em></p>
<p>Knowing you as I do, this line made me laugh so hard. <img src='http://www.fantasy-magazine.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>And though I am sure many guys would consider Mellie not very attractive, can I confess how HAWT I consider her? Ever since she first showed up I have been on Mellie watch.</p>
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		<title>By: Astraea</title>
		<link>http://www.fantasy-magazine.com/non-fiction/articles/dollhouse-season-1-episode-11-briar-rose/comment-page-1/#comment-10296</link>
		<dc:creator>Astraea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 May 2009 20:31:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, they were apparently deliberately trying to point out the huge fail of straight guys like Ballard, but I think it&#039;s not really done very well when his story is shown from his POV.  That&#039;s been the biggest failure of this show, IMO, that the POV is all screwy. 

I am all for complexity, and for shows that don&#039;t insult the audience&#039;s intelligent. I don&#039;t have to be presented the Characters to Like and Characters to Not Like in a clear, obvious way.  But there are a lot of shows that deal with moral ambiguity a hell of a lot better than this.  Lost does a good job of keeping the audience guessing and second-guessing about the characters and it does so in a way that is entertaining and enjoyable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, they were apparently deliberately trying to point out the huge fail of straight guys like Ballard, but I think it&#8217;s not really done very well when his story is shown from his POV.  That&#8217;s been the biggest failure of this show, IMO, that the POV is all screwy. </p>
<p>I am all for complexity, and for shows that don&#8217;t insult the audience&#8217;s intelligent. I don&#8217;t have to be presented the Characters to Like and Characters to Not Like in a clear, obvious way.  But there are a lot of shows that deal with moral ambiguity a hell of a lot better than this.  Lost does a good job of keeping the audience guessing and second-guessing about the characters and it does so in a way that is entertaining and enjoyable.</p>
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		<title>By: Foxessa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Foxessa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 May 2009 20:19:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW, you might find some interest in an assessment of &lt;i&gt;Dollhouse&lt;/i&gt; by someone who isn&#039;t involved with television or Whedonverse either as professional or fan, whose usual beat is much something else, namely politics, economics and so on.  It&#039;s on &lt;i&gt;The Daily Kos&lt;/i&gt; blog, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/4/25/724353/-We-interrupt-this-channel&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.

A quote:

&quot;Meanwhile Topher serves as Whedon&#039;s own analog in the Dollhouse universe, using the machine as a toy and &quot;spicing up&quot; characters to his own amusement. He even creates his own special birthday present in the form of a girl who wants to play all the games he wants to play, and who matches him line for line on the knowledge of all his favorite films.

What Dollhouse tells us is that, like the customers of the titular facility, both television producers and television viewers are generally ready to settle for shallow self-gratification. They want characters that mirror their own desires.&quot;

I gather that the writer of this believes he&#039;s come up with an unique insight.

Love, C.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW, you might find some interest in an assessment of <i>Dollhouse</i> by someone who isn&#8217;t involved with television or Whedonverse either as professional or fan, whose usual beat is much something else, namely politics, economics and so on.  It&#8217;s on <i>The Daily Kos</i> blog, <a href="http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/4/25/724353/-We-interrupt-this-channel" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>
<p>A quote:</p>
<p>&#8220;Meanwhile Topher serves as Whedon&#8217;s own analog in the Dollhouse universe, using the machine as a toy and &#8220;spicing up&#8221; characters to his own amusement. He even creates his own special birthday present in the form of a girl who wants to play all the games he wants to play, and who matches him line for line on the knowledge of all his favorite films.</p>
<p>What Dollhouse tells us is that, like the customers of the titular facility, both television producers and television viewers are generally ready to settle for shallow self-gratification. They want characters that mirror their own desires.&#8221;</p>
<p>I gather that the writer of this believes he&#8217;s come up with an unique insight.</p>
<p>Love, C.</p>
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		<title>By: Foxessa</title>
		<link>http://www.fantasy-magazine.com/non-fiction/articles/dollhouse-season-1-episode-11-briar-rose/comment-page-1/#comment-10293</link>
		<dc:creator>Foxessa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 May 2009 20:09:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maia, over on &lt;i&gt;Alas A Blog&lt;/i&gt;, has also shared her thoughts on each episode and the characters.  She has links to each entry she&#039;s written about &lt;i&gt;Dollhouse&lt;/i&gt; at the end of one.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2009/05/01/haunted-a-comparatively-short-dollhouse-review/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;This is the latest installment&lt;/a&gt;.

Thank you for posting yours!

Love, C.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maia, over on <i>Alas A Blog</i>, has also shared her thoughts on each episode and the characters.  She has links to each entry she&#8217;s written about <i>Dollhouse</i> at the end of one.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2009/05/01/haunted-a-comparatively-short-dollhouse-review/" rel="nofollow">This is the latest installment</a>.</p>
<p>Thank you for posting yours!</p>
<p>Love, C.</p>
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		<title>By: Nina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 May 2009 18:58:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am so over Paul Ballard and his bullshit. But, to be honest, so many straight guys think that way — Take advantage of the dumpy girl who&#039;s devoted to you, and treat her as cruelly as you like to get your rocks off, but save all your love and admiration for the girl who wears six tons of makeup and has a six-inch-round stomach.

Anyway.

The Sierra rape plotline has been botched from beginning to end (although I suppose we might not have seen the end yet). I try to ignore that when thinking about Boyd. :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am so over Paul Ballard and his bullshit. But, to be honest, so many straight guys think that way — Take advantage of the dumpy girl who&#8217;s devoted to you, and treat her as cruelly as you like to get your rocks off, but save all your love and admiration for the girl who wears six tons of makeup and has a six-inch-round stomach.</p>
<p>Anyway.</p>
<p>The Sierra rape plotline has been botched from beginning to end (although I suppose we might not have seen the end yet). I try to ignore that when thinking about Boyd. <img src='http://www.fantasy-magazine.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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